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Trading From Bots To Mules - Flagged?

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Hello!

 

I have a flagged bot ( fresh off a 2 day ban ) that I wish to offload to a mule to protect much of my gp and items before I start botting again.

 

Does anyone know if trading between a flagged bot account / accounts to a common mule account will also flag the mule account?

- If the mule account has never been botted on, does the mule account face any risk of ban due to association?

 

** Edit:  Each account is running on its own IP address / proxy and has no outside association.

 

Thanks! -- Tristan

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1 minute ago, YoHoJo said:

Not enough stats/too many variables go into this to give an answer.
Will just have to try and see, and use as much precaution as possible.

 

Thanks!

 

Just added that "  ** Edit:  Each account is running on its own IP address / proxy and has no outside association.  "  .. Not sure if this makes a difference haha

 

Was just wondering if anyone knew about it being standard practice for Jagex to do so, or if they had any experience with a mule becoming banned by association.

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@TristanWPA I believe at higher GP amounts (several hundred mills) there's an increased chance. My only experience with this is getting my mule + associated accounts banned overnight after muling 1+b from separate accounts, 100+k from each account. Huge volume of rapid succession direct trades is probably a big red flag, but I would trade it in smaller bits to reduce risk. Joe's right though, there's not enough info and also the info we know is kept secret a lot of the time.

EDIT: I also believe it's not GP traded, in fact it's value traded. So converting GP to items will not help you.

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@IceKontroI    Thanks for the detailed answer!! I was curious to know if they tracked trading history, a sudden flag / ban definitely makes sense at that amount of gp / transaction volume. Very helpful to know going forward as my focus is on gold farming. 

I picked up my 2 day ban the day following my first purchase of gp, although it was only 10M. Would be nice to know if it was related.  The account was level 59 and I had safely botted for weeks without issues prior. I did however buy a bond right away after the purchase, then started botting runecrafing and tanning, which I hadn't done prior, so this is most likely the cause. 

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5 minutes ago, TristanWPA said:

@IceKontroI    Thanks for the detailed answer!! I was curious to know if they tracked trading history, a sudden flag / ban definitely makes sense at that amount of gp / transaction volume. Very helpful to know going forward as my focus is on gold farming. 

I picked up my 2 day ban the day following my first purchase of gp, although it was only 10M. Would be nice to know if it was related.  The account was level 59 and I had safely botted for weeks without issues prior. I did however buy a bond right away after the purchase, then started botting runecrafing and tanning, which I hadn't done prior, so this is most likely the cause. 

I'm wonding... was your account originally buying bonds from Jagex directly through a credit card or something before you bought the bond with GP?

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3 minutes ago, IceKontroI said:

I'm wonding... was your account originally buying bonds from Jagex directly through a credit card or something before you bought the bond with GP?

Nope, this was the first bond purchased on the account and it was done through the grand exchange.. I didn't have any credit cards linked as the account was solely set up for gold farming and nothing was actually tied to my name haha  ... Everything I had been botting up until that point was in F2P, as I was getting the account ready for P2P farming.

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I've found that trading larger amounts of gp/items between accounts may end up in a RWT ban.

It's pretty random, and I can't exactly say what causes it.. Sometimes it's as small as a 15m  trade. The same day I can make a  dozen 100m+ trades without issue.

It doesn't happen very often; but often enough to be frustrating when it happens. When trading larger amounts, doing so in a few trades seems to help, which is why I assume gold-buyers often ask to trade multiple trades in smaller amounts when you sell in bulk.

 

 

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Mules usually get banned if you do a lot of trades from different botting accounts. The value of those trades ins't really a factor.

for instance: say i have 10m gp, and i transfer that from a bot to a mule, in a single trade. It won't raise any red flags to jagex because its just a single transaction.

But if i have a lot of botting accounts, and transfer 10m gp through 50 trades, that will raise a red flag.

also, i believe that if your mule only does things a typical mule does (logging in, trading bots, selling items, logging out), that's probably a red flag aswell.

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13 hours ago, gef30 said:

Mules usually get banned if you do a lot of trades from different botting accounts. The value of those trades ins't really a factor.

for instance: say i have 10m gp, and i transfer that from a bot to a mule, in a single trade. It won't raise any red flags to jagex because its just a single transaction.

But if i have a lot of botting accounts, and transfer 10m gp through 50 trades, that will raise a red flag.

also, i believe that if your mule only does things a typical mule does (logging in, trading bots, selling items, logging out), that's probably a red flag aswell.

 

Yeah definitely makes sense, a typical player isn't doing that high of volume of trades. I level my mules up a little bit to make them look a more legit before I begin to use them. I agree, that sort of use pattern should easily raise a flag .. I guess the question is, does Jagex discourage the use of mules?

Thanks for your input!!

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